My four pillars (I think)

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Okay, I found out this of myself

Year of the Wooden Ox (1985)
Month of the Metal Dragon (May 8th) also a Taurus in personality
Day of the Fire Sheep (awwwwww)
Hour of the Wooden Dragon (7am born apparently)

I was wondering if someone could give me a description of a personality based on these factors.

If somebody summarizes this up and it sounds a lot like me 1, I'll be most impressed and 2, I will be a bona fide believer in Astrology.

I'm willing to believe the year sign because I am a natural loner in life but that could also be my Taurus Sun, Capricorn moon combo.
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  • Re: My four pillars (I think)

    Mon, January 26, 2009 - 4:19 AM
    he element of your prospective wife should be high in earth and water. This describes mer exactly LOL but I'm a guy not a girl and I'm heterosexual. The other elements seem well represented but would need percentages to find out. You strive for the qualities of the wooden dragon. Basically any career surrounding wood dragon things would be best for you. Or you are already doing this. I would say look for a wood snake high in a water dragon element or a water rooster high in wood dragon element for best compatibility. The two elements you are looking for are earth and water in a prospective mate. Either a snake or a rooster. That's cursory. Later today I will post an online Computer generated compatibility chart that NEVER fails ;-)
    Just for you.
    HAPPY NEW YEAR EARTH OXEN! (My hour of birth)
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      Re: My four pillars (I think)

      Mon, January 26, 2009 - 2:20 PM
      So you said I strive to be like the qualities of the wood dragon....

      Well, I looked up the wood dragon and you are BANG on target. I know it's true because I looked up a random one being the metal horse and there was no quality to admire there. People like Salvador Dali and John Lennon had this in their year. Those are two of my idols!

      Gonna look into the relationship part.... interestingly the wood dragon attitude to relationships was also what I would strive for.

      I'm not a relationship guy but it's intriguing to find out.


      so you strive to be like the earth ox then... maybe this will be your year ;)
      • Re: My four pillars (I think)

        Mon, January 26, 2009 - 4:55 PM
        Yes this will be my year. Not to worry. USE this tool for judging how relationships will endure it is VERY accurate.

        This can also be used for judging friends as well.

        fortuneangel.com/Match1.htm
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          Re: My four pillars (I think)

          Mon, February 2, 2009 - 3:07 PM
          I'm getting conflicting interpretations of the four pillars

          This sounds the most accurate
          Year - The outer you that everyone sees
          Month - your attitude to relationships and the people you meet
          Day - The inner you that you keep to your self
          Hour - what you strive to be....

          Found out my months isn't metal dragon but metal snake.

          there were other wierd interpretations on the web that didn't mean anything important to every day life
          • Re: My four pillars (I think)

            Mon, February 2, 2009 - 6:55 PM
            Yes this IS the best description so far. Now something more. Your Conception and LIFE signs are also important. Your Life sign is which sign and element rules your life. The conception sign means which animal and element conceived you.

            Something else not specifically related to astrology but you might find interesting. Men usually get their looks from their mother it is said. What we look like is the Mars in western astrology of our mothers OR the year sign of our mothers. Mine was a Mars in Scorpio and a year of the water dog. Which is why I look something like Charles Bronson a scorpio water dog. Something to be aware of. For daughters it is the father's venus in western astrology as well as the element and year (In eastern astrology) they look like.
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              Re: My four pillars (I think)

              Tue, February 3, 2009 - 11:54 AM
              My mums is mars in virgo and year of the earth boar. interesting i guess but that makes my two bros the same.
              not sure if i believe this one..... very interesting if its true though.

              A virgo in the year of the earth boar.... the singer from aha (lol) hope i dont look too much like him
  • Re: My four pillars (I think)

    Wed, October 7, 2009 - 8:41 PM
    You have a "hurting officer" structure with excess of Eating God elements (Ji Earth) and Hurting Officer elements (Wu Earth). Why excess? You have 4 earth elements all on the earthly branches: ox, dragon, and sheep. If I were you, I'd be especially careful on years/months/days of the Dog on things that you were working well with because it essentially makes a grand cross. But people who have a lot of earth like you and I have this problem; constant change, but your fire is well rooted in sheep, so you probably stand ground on things, because you're confident. Those who don't have this strong-root tend to waver a lot and can be very fickle. This year may not be the best year (ox and sheep clash, shakes your foundation in your root) as well as overloading the excess earth elements you have going there. Watch your health; exercise and eat healthily so you don't have problems later on.

    This also means you're smart or at least, people will perceive you as being smart; eating god and hurting officer is what we call "rice bowls", it's our hands, mouth, feet; it gives the ability to live a living by "talking" or in your case, by talking up a storm. And the thing is, you're good at it, that is expressing yourself. People who have this structure do well in situations where they need to argue until they turn blue or where they teach because they make it easy for people to understand. You're probably stubborn as hell because all the water elements are hidden in your ox and dragon branches, and you don't actually have any water element out on view; no "fluidity", although they will come out occasionally when one of your branches clash against luck pillars and water jumps out from the branches but whenever a clash to your branch happens, well, it's not a pretty picture anyways.

    I don't know if you're male or female, but because interpretations differ based on sex, this is as far as I can go... although it seems like your chart's pretty well balanced.

    In Chinese astrology, balance is key; and although I'd say you're a little tilted in "element count", the temperature of your chart is very balanced; not too cold and not too hot; although a bit on the wet side (think spring soil and winter soil, but then this is also balanced by the hot summer soil).
    • Re: My four pillars (I think)

      Thu, October 8, 2009 - 6:52 AM
      wow, hikaruchin

      you sound well-read on chinese astrology. could you do mine, as well? lol. profiteers...well, if you don't want to, it's no biggie.

      I'm born in the year of the earth snake, month of the fire rabbit, day of the metal sheep, and hour of the fire rooster.

      I'm especially curious to know how much the day ascendant counts. I remember some saying it shows how you interact with others..or something like that? but meaning what..? like your outer persona? like the Ascendant in Western astrology?
      And which of these 4 signs is more like the me-me-my inner self?

      I also did this element count that said I was 47% Fire, 20% Wood, 17% Metal, 14% Earth and 0% Water, which really contradicts my Western chart, which is mainly water, and no fire. The site is: chinesehoroscopeonline.com/Pers...t.htm
      I would say neither describe me, really. I'm neither fiery or watery or anything like that. I'm just controlled and repressed, and in constant tension.
      • Re: My four pillars (I think)

        Thu, October 8, 2009 - 9:12 AM
        Oh no, there are so much I don't know... I do this to really help my understanding. This is just a hobby of mine after all. I'm still a beginner, so even if I'm not 100% correct, don't hold it against me! >_<

        Earth Snake (Ji Si)
        Fire Rabbit (Ding Mao)
        Metal Sheep (Xin Mi)
        Fire Rooster (Ding You)

        Ah, it seems you lack water element as well; there's not a drop of water anywhere... the only element that really helps you here is the Earth element in your year pillar, your mom, and the rooster in your hour pillar which represents your children but also a sibling. The reason that the hot summer earth you're sitting on isn't helping you is because it's a hot summer earth; earth is too hot for it to support you. There's no output element; for Xin metal, output is water; because output represents your ability to express yourself, and because you lack that, you might not come off to people as "being smart" at least at first. This doesn't mean you're not smart; Rabbit and Sheep excel at school and they're very good at research and things, but you just can't express your feelings well to the other party to make them understand you. Words don't come easy to you when you want to express yourself.

        However, you're very attractive to the opposite sex. You have fire everywhere; they're all men in your life. Too many is not good usually because it denotes possible divorces unless they marry late, but it says you need to have at least three or four "real" lovers in life. You might not like the attention though because you were born out of season (metal's season is fall), and There's not enough of your element or the element that helps you out. In fact, the rabbit and the sheep are in trine, and they produce even more wood element (wealth), feeding into more fire, making you even weaker. Men = too much = problem for you. I'd say you'd need to be careful around men because it's not the right kind of fire; ding fire is the heated fire, it's good for Yang metal people because the fire produces swords from the iron ore, but it's not good for Xin metal because what happens when you throw a diamond ring into the furnace? Its shine is gone forever. That's essentially what men do to you... but if you wait for the right moment, you can handle the heat, or so to say, because the right kind of a man is in your chart, just hidden. He also may have been in your life relatively early (Yang fire hidden in snake in the year pillar)

        Now you're Xin metal or yin metal. Yin metal is your diamonds, rings, jewelry, etc. They're very set in their ways, and they tend to be pretty competitive as well as being well above average in terms of their looks unless afflicted (it's in their nature, because you know jewelry needs to be "exceptional" to catch the eye and be bought). This also makes you stubborn on things you "know" you're right on, and makes it difficult for you to accept other people's advice (I have a Xin metal for a father, and believe me... it's hard).

        ascendant is important because it is your future; it's your children, and for some elements it is very very important. You were born in evening time, when the metal element is strongest; this helps you out a lot, although being born in the dead of night might have been better, say the hour of pig or rat because it would have cooled down your chart a lot better and give you that "output" element, and it would have controlled all that excess heat in your chart.

        For example, Bing fire (yang fire) people should be born in the morning to afternoon for them to be attractive; Bing fire is the sun; sun is the most powerful during... daytime. Ding fire (yin fire) people should be born in the night because they're like the moon. If they're born during the day, it's like being a candle light during daytime; it's sad and pitiful. But if they're born at night; they light up the darkness, and people look to that light. As a xin metal, had you been born during afternoon, the chart would have been too hot; not good. You would have melted. Although it's not the best time to be born looking at your chart, it's still better to be born in the cooler evening than it is for you to be born in the middle of the day.

        I bet you're not the type that gets fat; your body will burn the excess fat "water" out of your body, but this also means that your reproductive organs are not as strong as you hope (water rules that area). I'd definitely watch out of diseases related with excretion systems like the kidney, bladder, etc., as well as reproductive system. They're your weakness. The excess fire = watch your heart and blood system as well. People with too much fire may die from heart attacks; too much heat in the heart, you see.

        It seems like your 10 year luck cycle goes from summer --> fall --> winter. Summer's not great for you; those were your early years; men entered your life too early. Your focus was on the opposite sex rather than school and their attention was on you as well. This probably made you popular among the boys, and subject of jealousy among the girls; but the sad thing is, too much is worse than having not enough. I don't know your age, but if your summer is over, you'll enter fall, probably around your 30's; that's when things get better; you enter fall, which is your season. Men will still be plentiful, but you'll have better handle on them because you yourself is stronger. I'd also wait until then to get married, that is if you're not married already because you'll be able to handle the man, the children, and the finances better.

        I don't know... did any of this make sense? I have too much of excess output element, so I talk... too much. ;)
        • Re: My four pillars (I think)

          Sat, October 10, 2009 - 5:56 AM
          hey, thanks for the lengthy interpretation...it's totally complicated. I didn't get a lot of it...so there are sub-categories withing each element, as well?

          I don't even get how they count the elements...

          But, anyway, you were quite right, in general. Are you sure fire means lots of men? I have had too much to deal with men, but all negatively.

          And I wasn't popular with boys at all till the age of 15, because I was overweight-I'm guessing..lol. That's one thing that didn't fit..I had weight problems all my life, and am not exactly thin now, either. It requires constant effort on my part to keep my weight down, mostly because I have such a healthy appetite. However, I also tend to lose weight a lot more easily than most people. Some exercise, and green tea, and I'm in shape within a week..lol

          But, about men..after I got "slim and pretty" there was an increase in my popularity, but definitely a lot of tension there.. I definitely wouldn't say I was amongst the most popular girls among boys or anything like that..especially those my age But that's mostly because I'm 100 times smarter than boys my age, and very set in my ways. Some have even called me "impervious", or "up-tight".

          And yes, I don't appreciate men's attentions more often than not, simply because I don't want to be idealized/objectified, and so far, all them men that have pursued me have looked at me with lust more than love, and I can only hate that.
          In fact, I have hated men all of my life, and still do, on some primordial level. I guess it's mostly due to my father. And I also have authority issues, which are mostly related to men.

          However, conversely, I was also extremely amorous in nature from a very early age, like you said. Very passionate/sexual/emotional, and have had some major long-lasting obsessions in my teens, but they were never "materialized". I am extremely proud, and won't give into a man I can't look up to.

          And women are still weirdly envious towards me now and then, even when I'm not getting attention from their boyfriends..LOL. It's totally crazy and unjustified. But I'm guessing that has to do with the fact that I am pretty obviously womanly and proud of being womanly, whereas most women around me are trying to act "tough", and masculine, like society pressures them to be. So, basically, it's a psychological thing. I am expressing a side that they are trying to repress in themselves.
          I get along great with really feminine women, though.

          Another thing you were totally right about is the intelligence thing. It has happened to me more than once before that people can't wait to find faults in my judgment-almost as if they want to believe I'm just someone who's desperate to assert herself in the mental plane, but with no real depth or valuable intelligence. Especially since I tend to come across as "brainy" at first sight, due to my Virgo Ascendant..

          This has happened to me quite a lot in school, where my results were incredible fluctuating, depending on how much a particular topic interested me. All the maths teachers I've had have suspected me of either cheating at tests, or learning proofs by heart, simply because I would not be particularly active or attentive in class, and yet managed to solve problems that nobody else did at tests.

          So, in which ways am I acting like a "Sheep"? lol.And in which ways, like a "Rooster"?
          • Re: My four pillars (I think)

            Wed, October 21, 2009 - 8:37 AM
            Yeah, I meant to come back and say, I got your luck pillar wrong (like I said, I'm new at this thing... ^^;;;)

            You had Ji earth luck pillar for the first 15 years of your life; Ji earth rules the stomach (as I also have an excess of this, I tend to eat a lot too, but it's to my detriment). For you that's education; meaning you got what you needed at least for that first 15 years; you're now in a fire luck pillar, which means like I said, men... and lots of them. And the reason they're negative is because you're too weak, so you can't handle them effectively. Fire controls metal, it melts it if it's too strong; if you were Geng metal, it wouldn't be bad because it would be like throwing a raw iron ore into the fire to create a sword, but you're a Xin metal, which is an already made jewel. So men are not good for you. Until you become stronger, men won't be of any positive influence.

            I wouldn't say one acts like sheep or rooster... those things are not worth thinking about really. Your personality is that of Xin metal, with ability to discern correctly what is right and wrong (because metal tends to "cut things"), surrounded by a lot of fire. You're continuously changing yourself and bettering yourself (may go with that whole Virgo thing, I guess).

            Like I said, I'm still very much a beginner, so I can't provide you with advice or anything on life because you'll be able to see what you need or don't need. As a very weak fire myself, I also have trouble with men (who are represented as "water") in that I avoid them. It's not that I actively seek to do this, I just don't have a good inkling with them and none of the men are attractive to me. That would naturally change if my luck pillar changes and I become stronger, so I can handle them; same for you. Once you're able to handle them, you'll find good men who are to your quality, so I wouldn't bother messing with those in your life right now; they're most likely not very worth it. :)
            • Re: My four pillars (I think)

              Thu, October 22, 2009 - 2:05 PM
              so, how does one determine the lucky pillar? And how long does this fire pillar last?

              And, if fire shows men, does water show women in your life? lol Like does no water show I can't get along with women? That would suck big time.

              So what do you mean by "weak", exactly? And how would I become "stronger", and more fit to handle men? lol. Sounds kind of fatalistic, though. I mean, if "weak" means soft and emotional, I don't wanna get "stronger". I like being soft and emotional.

              Oh, so, bottom line is I should definitely not focus any of my energy on relationships...that sounds about how I intuited. lol
              • Re: My four pillars (I think)

                Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:15 AM
                Pillars are what you're born with; you're born with 4 pillars. There are 10-year luck periods which will determine how those four pillars will effect your life. Your fire luck-period has just begun (summer), and the season lasts around 30 years... which means you probably won't like men during these periods, although a lot will enter.

                Fire represents men only to you; because it's the controlling element of your self element, which is metal; fire melts metal. My self-element is fire, so water represents men in my life. It's different for everyone (gender also plays a role here). You need water in your chart, so you would enjoy having (your) children around, because they protect you from the "strong fire" of men, for example. Not having water means that you probably are weak at expressing yourself (because it's like not having "output") to others.

                For me, a fire-self who is full of output element (earth), children would not help because they would sap even more energy from me. It's really different for everyone; there's this need for generalization that's prevalent in western astrology, which doesn't exist in Chinese astrology; just rules in regards to interactions of the elements. Key is balance (with exceptions).

                As metal, water is your "output element", which usually denotes for women, children, but in general, creative efforts and expressions. Because you lack that, and because water would efficiently control all the fire in your chart, water element would be "good" for you.

                Weak and strong doesn't mean that, it's more of how well you can handle what's been given to you, or how much you'll have to fight for certain things in life. weak definitely doesn't mean soft and emotional, it means more like the need to "get along" with others who will be of help because they'll help you out. It puts more emphasis on getting along with others. The best scenario is "not weak nor strong", but those are very rare, indeed. Being weak or strong means you'll rely on luck periods to make you "stronger" if you're weak, and "weaker" if you're strong... it's all about balance of yang and yin.

                Bottom line... well, I wouldn't say that... I think you actually should focus on making sure your relationships are valuable to you, and being more careful about them, instead of not focusing your energy on them. Focus should be given to be careful about them, to make wise choices.
                • Re: My four pillars (I think)

                  Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:52 AM
                  Now, though, don't get all sad that men will be the woe of you for the next 30 years, because that's only looking at the earthly period; in fact, I think for you, you're already in summer (you should have been in it since around age 15-ish, I think, which is the time when men started paying more attention to you), but in the heavenly period, you have some friends (metal) that would help you out with men; I dare-say, you probably will depend on your friends heavily for your problems with men, and they'll be there to help you out. The key is to focus on your studies to strengthen you (earth), make efforts to make friends (metal) and to find a let out for your expression (water).

                  Chinese astrology tells one what situations they will enter life, but they cannot decide what decisions you will make. As long as you maintain your focus on what is good for you, there is no need to worry no matter what comes. I really like that about Chinese astrology.
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                    Re: My four pillars (I think)

                    Fri, October 30, 2009 - 12:50 PM
                    oh, yeah, of course. I don't plan on getting all pessimistic about it, but..well, just curious to know what my Chinese astro says.

                    So..men in a woman's chart is shown by the element that dominates her day element? I think I got it. lol So, women in a man's chart are shown by the element dominated by their day element?

                    But, anyway, having a lot of "men" in my life wouldn't necessarily mean I am going to attract a lot of potential romantic partners, right? It could just mean men will get in my way, in the professional life, for instance...
                    One free chinese element count I had done on the net associated fire with my "job"...what do you think about that? Is "Fire" related to the professional life, as well?

                    And, another thing..could you please tell me which element dominates which, and gets along witch which? I can't seem to find that anywhere on the net, now, even though I remember coming across it several times.
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      Re: My four pillars (I think)

      Mon, October 12, 2009 - 12:55 PM
      Oh wow Hikaruchin!! What a great response.

      It's me, the original poster, Red Jack.

      I removed my account from tribe.net when I realised most of the topic posters were ditsy women going: -

      "I'm a fire horse, he's a metal rat. He never answers my calls and sometimes goes cold blah blah blah blah and he never tells me he loves me anymore bla bla bla bla and I'm a Aquarius and hes a Scorpio bla bla" Goddamit, go to Dr Phil - not here!

      But I saw your reply, rekindling my desire to be on tribe.net.

      One question..... do you know for sure that May 8th 1985 lands on the metal snake or the metal dragon?

      Over time and more research, I'm starting to think it should really be the metal dragon for a guy like me.
      I don't often like Librans and they'd be mostly born in the month of the dog. I'm not that fond of Capricorns and Cancers who'd be mostly born in Ox and Sheep months. This would make a lot of sense if May 8th 1985 was true the metal dragon.
      • Re: My four pillars (I think)

        Wed, October 21, 2009 - 8:40 AM
        Are you talking about the month?

        I don't have your hour, so this is what I have of you:

        Year: Wood Ox
        Month: Metal Snake
        Day: Fire Sheep

        ... well, there is that clash of the snake and dog... if you want to fit it in like that... but no, you were born in metal snake month, as a strong ding fire daymaster...
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      Re: My four pillars (I think)

      Mon, October 12, 2009 - 12:58 PM
      LMAO!!

      I just noticed you called me "Eating God" and "Hurting Officer".

      I have no idea what they mean but I love it!
      • Re: My four pillars (I think)

        Wed, October 21, 2009 - 8:41 AM
        uh, forget what I said above; I seemed to have gotten your date wrong somehow, so the analysis is completely wrong. I'm embarrassed to say that, but I have no clue why I got that result... I may have gotten date wrong somewhere... sorry about that. :p
        • Re: My four pillars (I think)

          Wed, October 21, 2009 - 8:43 AM
          ah wait, the analysis is still wrong, but that's because I just went with what you wrote!! >_<
          No time now, but I'll come back and do a proper analysis with the correct data one of these days. :)
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            Re: My four pillars (I think)

            Wed, October 21, 2009 - 12:24 PM
            That's okay. I demand it from you but you do say some very interesting things that I'd love to know more about.

            It's not 100% confirmed since my mum is a doofus, but I was told that I was born at around 7am or after (Yang Wood Dragon).

            I read the description for wood dragon and I feel very suited to this as my hour.

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