Who have any Rooster ? where in birth chart ? and what element?

topic posted Fri, October 23, 2009 - 8:55 AM by  offlineAlex
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I have in Day-Metal Rooster.
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  • Just wondering, why are you focused on the rooster?
    • Ian
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      The day is a very interesting one. For me it is the biggest factor since it's helped me discover why I end up liking or disliking someone truly after getting to know them.

      Sadly Hikaruchin, I don't think you and I would get along with each other if we knew each other. You day is in Ox and mines in Sheep. Nothing personal of course ;P
      • I know, but I would also like to point out not to focus on only one thing; some of my closest friends were born in the month of the sheep (one of my best friend was born on the day of the sheep as well).

        Yang and Yin is very important in Chinese astrology; it is the foundation on which everything is focused on; My chart is very cold, having been born in the coldest hour, coldest day, and coldest month of the year; my best friends usually are born in the hottest hour, hottest day, and hottest month of the year. We fight, and yes we have differences of opinions, but in the end, they enjoy the coolness that my chart provides them, and I enjoy the warmth their chart provides me.

        We always seek what we lack for completion; sheep and ox may not get along because there is a clash, but that between people only means that there is a difference of opinions on life and lifestyle. I actually am going to do a post about compatibility to clarify some of the misconceptions people have about chinese astrology and compatibility. :)
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          Sure.

          One of my housemates (soon to be ex housemate) was born in the day of the ox. We got along at first but soon I found her to be too woeful and negative. Very shallow too and bossy. Now we don't talk to each other.... just a pretentious "hi" every now and again.

          I had a work colleague who I really badly clashed with at first. We got along after while (although there are still elements of conflict) but interestingly I managed to find out her dob and discovered she was also born in the day of the ox.

          Could be a coincidence - so I'll find out more in time to further my study of this subject.

          To the original poster; sorry we're not ignoring you or anything. I'm still trying to learn about the rooster since I've got none of it in my chart.
          You guys are supposed to be brave so if it's in your day master, deep down you are a brave person
          • This is why I keep saying you shouldn't focus too much on the day only. :)

            It may be that the housemate with the day of ox had excess element that you have; so there's a clash of the elements; you two heat things up too much, or dry it up too much, etc. There are five kinds of any animal, wood, fire, earth, metal, and water, and although the animal may be same, how they operate will be different depending on element sitting on that animal, as well as the the other 6 elements. While focusing on the day is much better than focusing on the year, that may lead you to focus only on the 60 "personalities" as opposed to what is indeed derivative of something like 60 x 60 x 60 x 60 + place of birth, luck period, and any other factors that can influence a person's personality.

            I doubt it's a coincidence. :)

            I have clashes with my best friends too because like I said, ox-dragon-sheep-dog are naturally clashing animals and there are things I don't like doing that they like doing, and vice versa; but when there are clashes, certain elements are released from those four graveyards, and a new element can be formed. In Chinese astrology, a person without a clash will never advance in life because there is nothing to grind, roughen, shape that person to become something better. People who clash against each other are good for that. :)
            • Fire Rooster hour ascendant here
              • Ian
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                Yo! Sup Zayne?

                I remember chatting to you before and we were having this debate about Scorpios being the truest of fighters.

                While I do concede that you were correct... we did both over look one decent Scorpio martial art fighter.

                Before losing decisively to Lyoto Machida, Thiago Silva was an unbeaten Scorpio. Unfortunately, he's the only one I can really think of other than Josh Barnett.... who has now become a joke.
                • What up Ian,

                  Yea, not many MMA fighters go undefeated. The only truly undefeated fighter I'm aware of is Fedor Emelianenko. His only loss was a BS stoppage by the ref because of a cut over his eye, and he is a Libra. He does have Venus conjunct Uranus in Scorpio, but Sun conjunct Pluto is the strongest aspect in his chart, as his Mars isn't aspected much at all.

                  Machida has really come on strong. He destroyed Rashad Evans. I expect the same against Rua tonight
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                    It was a closer call than usual but Lyoto did win it.
                    • "The Rooster male belongs to the restricted circle of men endowed with such a powerful sex drive as his. But he seldom looks upon sex as a natural way of self-expression. On the contrary, one of his favorite pastimes is to indulge in sexual fantasizing. And the greatest pleasure he can get from his lovemaking is not to be one with his partner but to believe he is making her suffer - without actually submitting her to any physical pains."

                      Jesus! I hope this isn't true. I seem to develop crushes for Rooster men quite often-by year, and otherwise...
                      • lol

                        That sounds pretty bad.

                        Extremes seem to be a nature of the Rooster in essence,but I think some of the specifics vary. I know for a fact that isn't always the case.

                        I can see this entering the court system. Judge - " give me the cheating man's birth information. Ahhhhh, I see you were born in the year of the rooster! 5 years without the possibility of parole!" Rooster man - "but your honor, is cheating punishible by jail time? That violates my rights under the constituation!"

                        Judge - " My ex-husband was Rooster rising! Get this man out of my sight!"
                      • Gotta be honest, I bet it's not entirely true; I have very heavy scorpio influence in my chart, and I don't have a single rooster in my birth chart.

                        I also looked at the website, and its description of the female ox and their mentality didn't fit with me at all, and I think I would know since I have nothing but ox in my chinese astrology birth chart.
                        • really? AT ALL? wow. I feel like all my signs fit me quite well, especially explains why I can completely change my personality from one mood to the next. I am a little of a Fire Rooster woman, an Earth Snake woman, a Metal Sheep woman, as well as a Fire Rabbit Woman, but the traits that never really disappear are those of the Rooster woman..maybe it's also because I'm a Virgo Rising?

                          However, I don't know how Chinese Astrologers feel about this parallel some people draw between the Chinese and Western Zodiacs...and to be honest, the general traits of the chinese signs barely resemble those of the western signs...the Rooster does sound like a "violent" Virgo, though. I see a common base between them in the issue of repressing emotions, but maybe not as much in the aggressiveness and "high energy" associated with the Rooster sign.

                          The way some traits were explained in that site kinda bugged me though, like comparing the signs by "better" or "worse". I think that's an immature way of putting it. Like they said the Dragon is "better" than the Rooster..I didn't get that.

                          Or that the Snake is too "strong and complex" for the Pig..another unfair observation.

                          Well, anyway.. Hikaruchin, I couldn't help noticing that you didn't reply to my last post on the "four pillars" thread..I don't know if you forgot about it, or just didn't want to answer me, but, just in case, I want to ask about the Water issue again..like, does Water show women in your life? and does no Water mean you're not good with women? or does it make you less feminine?
                          • Oh, you replied? I didn't even know... I'll go check and reply to you there so there's continuity of thought.

                            But yeah, NOTHING about the oxen woman (except for their tendency to become overweight) fit me or my personality, and my chart is entirely ox, so... if it fits anyone, it should fit me. I think the problem that arises from these kinds of sites is that it is inherently written in a manner that makes "stereotypical thoughts" about Chinese astrology and its animals. Animals is just one part of chinese astrology; the heavenly branches must be taken into account, not to mention the elements that are hidden within the animals than animals themselves.

                            It is usually western need to categorize things by traits and behaviors that gives western astrology its qualities; this is not necessarily the same theory on which Chinese astrology is based on, thus creating this problem.

                            As for dragon being better than rooster, that's BS; no animal is better than other animal; they may be better at certain things in life than other animals, but they'll also be worse at certain things than other animals. I wouldn't take any of those comparisons seriously.


                            • " But yeah, NOTHING about the oxen woman (except for their tendency to become overweight) fit me or my personality, and my chart is entirely ox, so... "

                              Hikaruchen -

                              What exactly is it that you find so unlike you in the Ox woman? What traits do you have that you feel completely oppose those symbolized by the Ox?
                        • Ian
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                          Your seriousness in your posts makes me believe you are born as the ox.

                          I'm comfortable in believing my day master as the fire sheep. I wasn't at first since it doesn't sound cool for a guy to have 'sheep' associated to his hidden personality. However, an easy way to find out is to match up with other people who have their day in the sheep or fire sheep.

                          Most guys who I've discovered have got their day in the sheep seem to be rather peaceful and not so outgoing like me. Whenever I go out clubbing or socialising I eventually get very bored and clam up inside.
                          I'm not a social butterfly and that's fine.

                          The sheep is apparently very unmaterialistic. This relates to me for sure. Whenever I see a guy poncing around in the latest sports car trying to show off to everyone all I see is this guy going home to bed and crying himself to sleep for putting himself in debt for the sake of appearances.

                          I can relate to my month master (metal snake) as I am a bit careful, calculating and stingy with money. May not be great qualities to others but it works for me :).

                          Still can't find a way to relate to the Ox year. I see no pattern to others in the year of the Wood Ox that's noticable.
                          • I've gone through most descriptions by male and female on the astrologizeme site and while some descriptions have periods where the author is letting opinion bleed into what should be a completely objective breakdown, for the most part the descriptions are acutely accurate.

                            One thing I don't understand is why it seems to be the year-sign that is referred to as the most important placement. The hour-ascendant appears to be the most relevant to me because it separates you distinctly from allllllllll the others born in your year as your vessel of pursuit, along with the day and month signs. I found almost nothing relevant to me in the Earth Goat male description. The Rooster male description mirrors me in nearly every detail. Even the specific physical conditions/ailments such as allergy and digestive issues and general physical build were accurate. I also have Pluto tightly conjunct the ascendant in Western Astrology.

                            focusing on essential natures.....

                            Fire Rooster hour-ascendant
                            Metal Ox - day
                            Fire Rabbit - month
                            Earth Goat - year

                            I feel the energy of all these signs is inherent in my nature. I have long felt that I am a lover and a fighter,believing in a balancing of the two forces. That you cannot/do not love something unless you are willing to fight for it, and you cannot fight for or against something without loving your cause. I think this combination of energies clearly shows that dynamic with the passion signs of the Rabbit and Goat and the conviction signs of Rooster and Ox.
                            • I have absolutely no doubt that I am very much an Ox. Never had a doubt, never will (I mean... when one is born on the year, month, day, and hour of the ox, it's really hard to doubt that). But real interpretation takes much more depth than just the animal signs alone; animals comprise of only 50% of the entire chart. The Element (Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, Water) above the animals are just as important in description.

                              But like I said, at a personal level, what the website presents as a typical "oxen female behavior" contrasts with my own general view of life and philosophy significantly, and I found most problems in the "love" and "psychology" sectors, making oxen women into some sort of a "desperate housewife"-to-be, which bothers me greatly because I know of many women (who also happen to be ox) who do not live by this belief, nor do they fit the physical description presented in the section for oxen women.

                              Anyways, I explained the reason for heavy focus on year pillar and the outdated nature of this in another post. The focus is now placed on the day pillar because it is the self that everything is now based on, and the month that you're born into; the method of interpretation has changed since the Tang Dynasty back in China where your grandfather's social status mattered more than you. But this was inaccurate. Doing so based on the day element and its relationship to the other 7 elements in your chart is now the modern approach, and known to be more accurate. :)

                              Looking at the animals may be a good place to start, but everyone should really focus on the relationship of the elements because even animals can be explained using five elements. I suggest googling "Ba Zi" or "Four Pillars" which will give them a greater understanding of what this is all about.

                              Animals mean nothing unless you can understand the relationship of the animals in relation to your self element and your "environment".
                              • That is one of the holes in the analysis. The break down didn't include variables for different elements. The author would have done well to keep stereotypes out of the mix and kept the description more basic and making it clear that other influences come in to play and modify things a bit.

                                I'll take a look at your other thread that mentions the "day pillar" and I'll plug it into google and see what shakes loose.

                                One thing, I don't see how the animals can be explained using only elements. Is that what you implied? From where I sit, The animals have core traits that can be expressed through different dynamics via the elements
                                • It's not a bad website in the sense that if you're a complete newbie to Chinese astrology, it tells you there are 12 animals, 10 elements (which is really a yang and yin division of 5 elements), and that Yang and Yin exist; however, to take anything more about of that website would not do well for furthering your learning in the long run.

                                  Animals are really representatives of the "Earth's condition" at that particular moment in time. For example, The Rat is comprised entirely of Yang and Yin water. Water represents being wise, the constantly flowing nature, the dark (night), secretiveness, and even the will to carry things through (as water tends to do). Water is also related to being at the extreme Yin nature. Rat represents a coldest time of the year (because it's only comprised of water/ice/snow, whatever you fancy), coldest time of the night (absolute yin)... etc. But analysis doesn't stop there; how does the rat manifest?

                                  Let's say the person was born on the day of the Fire Rat. Fire is Yang fire here (the self), and it's sitting on an element that controls fire (water controls fire because water kills fire). How does this manifest in the individual's personality? He would have a "controlled" demeanor, unlikely to "explode", which is the nature of Yang fire. He'd care about how he looked, be well-mannered, and act in a way that was "righteous". There's a repression of "freedom."

                                  Let's say the person was born on the day of Earth Rat. Earth is also Yang Earth (the self), and it's sitting on an element which it controls (earth absorbs, stops flow of water). How does this manifest in the individual's personality? He would have a more "controlling" demeanor. He's sitting on an element he controls, so there's no need for him to really care about being well-mannered, be righteous, whatnot; whatever he thinks is correct would be correct.

                                  Of course, I'm only looking at the day, and I'm only looking at elements. It is absolutely possible to do an analysis without trying to memorize the nature of the animals' personality.

                                  For example, I think I read Ian say something about sheep keeping things to themselves. Of course, it depends on what the self element is, but if a person is Ding fire Sheep (Yin fire sheep), this is perfectly explainable through elements. Sheep is considered as "yin earth" primarily, comprised of yin fire, yin earth, and yin wood. Technically, it's an "eating god structure"; the self element sitting on an "output element" (fire leads to earth). However, sheep earth can't absorb fire well because it's already a very dry earth. When the earth can't absorb yin fire's heat, communication stalls, so the yin fire sheep individual is less likely voice his/her opinion. fire can't be translated into earth and then to metal because it's too hot for the metal to actually materialize.

                                  On the other hand, Ding fire Ox (Yin fire ox) is the exact opposite. It also has an "eating god structure", fire sitting on earth, its output element. However, people with yin fire ox will talk up a storm. This is because ox' "primarily earth structure" is comprised of yin water, yin earth, and yin metal. It's a very cold wet earth, so the fire sitting on top of the ox is absorbed quickly by the cold wet earth full of water and metal. Communication becomes very easy, and yin fire ox individual will be able to talk about everything and anything. fire is translated into earth here, and unlike the sheep, the earth is cold, allowing the metal to materialize (because it warms up the metal instead of burn up the metal as it does in fire sheep) so it produces something visible (output), unlike the sheep which tends to keep their thoughts more in their minds.

                                  Animals is ... a good place to start. Looking at the day animals is probably the next step; but the best place to start is the philosophy of Yang and Yin, the five elements, what they represent, their "personalities" (elements possess personalities in Chinese astrology!) and what their relationships are to other elements (and even to the same elements). It's like a big family; wood is the fire's mom, fire is the earth's mom, earth is the mom of metal, and metal is the mom of water, and then water is the wood's mom, once more. Wood is earth's husband, fire is metal's husband, Earth is water's husband, Metal is wood's husband, and Water is fire's husband. Yang fire is Yin fire's brother (or sister), sometimes a friend, sometimes a competitor. Yin wood needs the support of Yang wood to survive, and it also needs earth, fire, and water to stay alive and fruit. Water can't be just water because nothing lives in water that's too clean; it needs a bit of earth, a bit of metal, a bit of fire (so it can flow), a bit of wood so it can give life, and so on and so on.

                                  Just the basics is very difficult, but once you really understand the basics, the more difficult aspects become much easier to understand, and you realize that animal personality is not what really make's a person's personality.
            • Ian
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              I don't just focus on the day aspect but quite recently I took more notice of what the four pillars suggest by best match to be; some who is born on a yang water day.

              So, I checked out my best buddy who is born on the 24th November 1976. Okay, so he's born on the year of a dragon..... not great since I'm born on the year of the Ox. He's born in the month of the pig....... not so good since I'm definitely born on the month of the snake.
              Then it turns out he's born of the day of the male water horse.
              Apparently, the horse and the sheep are in great harmony together. The horse does not like conflict and the sheep does not create much conflict. I suppose this is why we may be good mates even though we regularly have heated arguments over things.

              But that's another reason why we make good friends - we can argue at each other until going blue in the face but it never turns personal or over-heated.
              • I know you don't focus just on the day, although you definitely put a very heavy emphasis on it. :)

                But like the example I gave you of my best friends... the fact that one of my closest friend was born on the day of the sheep and month of the sheep, and i was born on the day of the ox and month of the ox; in fact there's a clash even in our hours; I, ox, her, horse; two animals that do not like each other. There's clash at literally every level, and we definitely argue and debate, but we're always good friends in the end, even though we're females and there is supposed to be more "drama" that goes along with that. She's a weak water, having been born in such a hot environment, and I'm a weak fire, being born in such cold environment. So we balance each other. That's the only way you could explain why we get along so well.

                Have you thought that maybe it's not just because of the horse-sheep harmony, but the fact that as water born in winter he's in need of fire, and as fire born in summer, you are in need of water? You're hot fire, and you need water to cool you down; he's cold water, so he needs fire to warm him up, a nice equilibrium. Like I said in my previous post, animals mean nothing unless taken into context of your self element, and its own element. Pig is water, snake is fire; that's why there's a clash; I think it's important to see why these animals don't get along more than that they just don't, or that their "personalities" just don't match.

                Eventually, you'll learn that day compatibility is not enough to explain compatibilities, but you can take your time to learn that, I'm sure.
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                  Have you thought that maybe it's not just because of the horse-sheep harmony, but the fact that as water born in winter he's in need of fire, and as fire born in summer, you are in need of water? You're hot fire, and you need water to cool you down; he's cold water, so he needs fire to warm him up, a nice equilibrium. Like I said in my previous post, animals mean nothing unless taken into context of your self element, and its own element. Pig is water, snake is fire; that's why there's a clash; I think it's important to see why these animals don't get along more than that they just don't, or that their "personalities" just don't match.

                  See, this goes out of my line of scientific thinking. I can't understand the logic of someone born in winter needing to be friends with someone born in Summer. I don't see how the months we were born having that kind of effect.
                  It's the same with you explaining the luck pillars. It goes outside my line of thinking how people can have ten lucky years and ten unlucky years. There's nothing I can logically grasp onto to believe that part of it.

                  Your friend who clashes with you but you still remain friends with could be due to you being opposites in Western Astrology which works well enough for friendship but not for a strong bond.

                  My other best mate is a Scorpio but chinese astrology doesn't rate it as good compatibility. however, since we're opposites in the western zodiac it's easy enough for us to get along and appreciate the same things in some respects. However, I know he'll never have my back like the other friend mentioned in the above post.

                  So, basically you could still get along with a friend that is a Leo because no matter what, Aquarius and Leos bounce off each other well from opposites attracting.
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                    That's fine if you don't understand it; I'll try to explain... there's no real "need" to be friends; more of an attraction of the opposites. It's based in the idea of the Yang and Yin; when Yang is at its extreme, it begins Yin and vice versa; no matter what, Yang will never continue to be Yang, and Yin will never continue to be Yin; they'll always circulate with each other. In Eastern philosophy, everything is in continuous cycle. When the summer is at is peak, it begins retreat to Yin, and when the winter is at its coldest, energy of Yang begins once again. It's the same thing with charts; when one's chart is very cold, it's not very helpful for the person to find someone with the same chart because like magnets, same polarities push each other away.

                    As for luck pillars, it's really not like that; you can have bad things happen to you during "lucky period" and you can have good things happen to you during a "bad luck period." The reason you're having such difficulty is because you're focusing too much on animals and less on the interactions of different elements; Snake and Pig clash because snake's make-up consists mainly of Yang fire, and Pig consists of Yin water; water kills fire. That could be good or bad for a person depending on their chart make-up.

                    Rather than scientific, I'd say it's more philosophical.

                    As far as western astrology, I'm even less of an expert in that than I am with Chinese astrology, so I can't really say (especially since there are so many ways to chart it)...

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